"What we are discussing here is really a human doctrine, ( 2 actually - Omniscience and predestination) and man's attempt to know God and put Him 'down here" with Us."
Yes I get that. The reason I no longer get into hypothetical debates is that I do not believe there is an answer to most questions. We can only speculate from our limited human standpoint. We are like ants trying to understand or comprehend an invisible elephant.